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One of the essential premises of these first few chapters is that many of the issues in our lives – both large and small – can be impacted if we begin to see ourselves as influencers. In other words, they are things that we can do something about if we so choose.

Do you normally think of yourself as an influencer? Is your answer different for either your professional or personal life?

Do you think educators see themselves as influencers? If so, how does this manifest itself in their behavior? If not, why not?

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I think it is easier to change personal experiences than professional ones. It gets so much more complicated. Figure 2-1 from Clay Shirky's Here Comes Everybody on page 27 illustrates the complexity.
Complexity
 "Three clusters, with all connections drawn. The small cluster has 5 members, and 10 connections; the middle one has 10 members and 45 connections; and the large one has 15 members and 105 connections. A groups complexity grows faster than it's size." What happens then in a school of 40 or more adults? Pretty Complex.


Before reading the book (this far at least) I I would have said that influencing a closed and locked and hidebound school system is very nearly impossible. I feel like I spent my whole career trying to bring fundamental and permanent change to "the system"—all I'm afraid to no avail. But I'm open to it changing and have some ideas I'll put forward during the course of our time together.

Generally I think educators don't see themselves as influecers. They've made the deal not to rock the boat and they've made the Faustian bargain with the students reflected in Horace's Compromise—you pretend to learn and I'll pretend to teach. Not all teachers, of course. They are passive, don't read, don't engage with technology, don't create new possibilities, complain and keep their heads low. And they are pleasant.

On to write my first post.

And thanks again for getting this started and asking some great questions.
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Skip Olsen
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I have recently taken the DISC assessment and found I am categorized as an inspirational leader. In reviewing the description, I found this type of leadership is said to be manipulative. I took offense to this as my ex-wife used the term as an insult. I was discussing this with a fellow administrator and he indicated that the definition of a manipulator and of manipulation in general is not negative, but rather has gained a more negative connotation in today's vernacular. An influencer is a much more positive term, but no matter how you slice the pie, to be a leader you must manipulate and influence those you work with and the resources you have at your disposal.
I think I have been an influencer and manipulator for most of my life. I am just now understanding how much responsibility comes with the skill as well as the positional authority we are given as educators.

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David Keane
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Do you normally think of yourself as an influencer? Is your answer different for either your professional or personal life?

After completing the first reading section I can't say I see myself as an influencer in my professional life as discussed by the authors.  Influencers are actively seeking to impact behaviors.  However, as a parent of 3 young children I definitely see myself as an influencer...I am trying to shape and refine behaviors on a daily (often hourly basis) and yes much of ends up being "after the fact" despite my previous best efforts.

Do you think educators see themselves as influencers? If so, how does this manifest itself in their behavior? If not, why not?

Educators are always trying to shape/impact the behavior of their students.  An effective educator is about much more than just content acquisition...rather a effective educator is trying to impact behavior that reaches beyond the content at hand.  However, I think when we talk about educator to educator relationships educators would see themselves as influences....in fact they are quite the opposite.  While a teacher feels they can have an impact on the behaviors in their own classroom they rarely see beyond their own classroom to impact the classroom of another teacher.  Teacher to teacher relationships are about professional respect and quite frankly distance.  Calling an educator "out" about a questionable practice as discussed in the Delancey example just doesn't happen in education.

 

 

 

 

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I agree with you marklee. We as educators do not confront eachother as described in the book. My question is why don't we? And in my opinion we should. The lack of confidence many have today in public schools is due to just a few poor teachers that we are all grouped with. We are grouped with them for good reason; we don't out them for the lack of professional behavior/practice. If a doctor or lawyer comes up against a member of their own profession who is not practicing ethical behavior they most generally report that individual. In education on the other hand, we rally union resources to protect them.

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David Keane
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Do you normally think of yourself as an influencer? Is your answer different for either your professional or personal life?I've thought of myself for a long time as a consensus builder. I believe that, especially related to transformational change, work is going to be more sustainable when the whole team is engaged and "buy-in" to the goals. I avoid at least the appearance of being an influencer, at least as far as forcing the work of the team. But once the team is set and has the objective in mind, then I'm able to participate in the role of influencer or change agent, in both my personal and professional existence.Do you think educators see themselves as influencers? If so, how does this manifest itself in their behavior? If not, why not?

Educators see themselves as teachers. I believe we work as much as time permits to individualize instruction to maximize its effectiveness. We employee many methods, both research based and/or intuitive, to help our students learn. Everyday we assume the role of influencer. But it's very easy for our effort as influencer to become unfocused. The demands are great and the time is limited. The concept of identifying a few key behaviors to target is attractive, but does such an influencer target list exist for the groups of 25-30 diverse students found in our classrooms today?

 

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In my role in helping to improve a Program Improvement school I have spent the last year watching what the teachers, students, and parents at my school. I have sought to target change through systems, but I think the real change will come in influencing changes in behavior. When I was still in the classroom I absolutely thought I was an influencer. Both to students and my peers, especially in the areas of technology, creative thinking techniques, and use the use of thinking models (i.e Six Thinking Hats, Thinker Keys, etc.)

In my role out of the classroom I am focusing more on influencing behavior because it's impact is more lasting. When behavior changes, we change the way we talk about a subject, the way we think about the subject, and the way we approach the subject. This is far more impacting than just providing facts and information to people. So I think I am an influencer.

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Skip, I have worked with teacher very much like you describe above. One of the things that made a difference was the questions the leadership asked of them to influence their behavior. Asking questions like, "What ways are you using technology in your teaching?" Or, "In what ways are you using research proven instruction?" We found most teacher don't like having bad answers or no answer to the questions. Their behavior began to change to meet the demands of the questions we were forcing on them. Not easy to do though!

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rookie - member
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I find reflective questioning very important. I've just started to do more walk through observations. Reflective questioning is the key. It takes a lot of thought.

I was watching the Meet the Press program this AM and they were talking about how Tim Russert would map out his questions leading to his main focus area.

One technique I use is called ORID. Questions are based on Objective questions, followed by reflective, then interpretive leading to a decision. I had ORID training years ago and just recently updated my knowledge base when I took Iowa's Evaluator Approval training.

Kathy

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Do you normally think of yourself as an influencer?

I definitely think of myself as an influencer.  Certainly I try to influence with persuasive words and directives, however I've always felt that my greatest influence tool is my example.  Do I want my teachers to be life long learners?  Then I must show them what a life long learner looks like.  Do I want my teachers to treat students with a balance of clear expectations, constant feedback, and appropriate recognition?  Then, I need to do just those things in my dealings with my staff.  Do I want teachers to rely on data of all kinds to make the most enlightened decisions for instruction? Then, I need to held accountable for my own decisions that demonstrate a reliance on objective information.

The old adage that more things are rather caught than taught, I believe, holds true here.

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Kathy, ORID sounds very interesting. Thanks for sharing that. In California we use a technique call Cognitive Coaching. Bottom line, get people thinking about what they do and why they are doing it through questions. I love a book title, "Change Your Questions, Change Your Life." I like that!

Is there a website or resources for ORID?

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rookie - member
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Rob,

I have two books on ORID.
1. The Art of Focused Conversations - General Editor: R. Brian Stanfield
2. The Art of Focused Conversations for Schools - by Jo Nelson

Both have a wide variety of scenarios with ORID questions. I use them as a guide in questioning.

I had training in Cognitive Coaching a few years ago. I'll have to look into the book you mentioned. Sounds interesting!

Another book I'm reminded of, but haven't used it lately is: QBQ! The Question Behind the Question: Practicing Personal Accountability in Work and in Life by John G. Miller.

I'll check around for ORID websites.

Kathy

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Do you think educators see themselves as influencers? If so, how does this manifest itself in their behavior? If not, why not?

Most educators were at one time very goo or at least above average students. In order to be a successful student, they had to be teacher-pleasers, at least to some extent. Basically, good students are trained to be conformists. To influence change educators need to see a compelling need for change. However, I believe that it is difficult for most educators to leave behind the conformist habits that made them successful as students. As a result, I think very few educators see themselves as influencers in the educational system and I think there are many who don't even want to be.
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Kathy, your timing is amazing. I was in an administrator training course today and the mentioned the QBQ book. I read it a while ago and loved. I think than gets back to what we are talking about here. A great lever for influencing behavior is the questions we ask. Thanks for the resources.

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rookie - member
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Great! Glad I could help! I need to reread that book as well!!
Kathy

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