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Topic: Carrot & Stick: Tired, old way of thinking

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How do you use rewards and punishments on a team? Or in a collaborative environment? A PLC?

It seems to me that we need to get over the "boss-worker", hierarchal mentality because such old, manipulative concepts don't translate to the new reality. While such an approach might work with some students, we continually forget that intrinsic motivation is key to accomplishment and success, especially in complex circumstances. I don't have this exactly right, but I remember a story Pat Dolan tells in his book, Restructuring Our Schools: A Primer on Systemic Change, where an auto worker said something like this: "I make good money here. I can send my kids to college. I can afford to live a pretty good life. And I hate this place."

I think it's time to change the model—kinda what Margaret Wheatley writes about in Leadership and the New Science: Discovering Order in a Chaotic World. The model has to be more organic in nature, not machine-like and hierarchal otherwise I'm afraid we'll get nowhere and we'll be talking this way 50 years hence. One of my all time favorite quotes is by Wheatley (page 25):

"I sit in a room without windows, participating in a ritual etched into twentieth-century tribal memmory. I have been here thousands of times before, literally, I am in a meeting, trying to solve a problem. Using whatever analytic tool somebody has just read about or been taught at their most recent training experience, we are trying to come to grips with a difficult situation. Perhaps it is poor employee morale or productivity. Or production schedules. Or the redesign of a function. The topic doesn’t matter. What matters is how familiar and terrible our process is for coming to terms with the complaint.

The room is adrift in flip chart paper—clouds of lists, issues, schedules, plans, accountabilities—crudely taped to the wall. They crack and rustle, fall loose, and, finally, are pulled off the walls, tightly rolled, and transported to some innocent secretary, who will litter the floor around her desk so that, peering down from her keyboard, she can transcribe them to tidy sheets, which she will mail to us. They will appear on our desks days or weeks later, faint specters of commitments and plans, devoid of even the little energy and clarity that sent the original clouds—poof—up onto the wall. They will drift into our day planners and onto individual “to do” lists, lists already fogged with confusion and inertia. Whether they get “done” or not, they will not solve the problem.

I am weary of the lists we make, the time projections we spin out, the breaking apart and putting back together of problems. It does not work."

The idea for me is to find new ways to be with one another that allows and encourages each person to their highest potential. It's not easy; it's not linear; but it is absolutely necessary if we are going to be successful with ALL of our kids, and with each other.
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Skip Olsen
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Can individual teachers coaching another to improve instruction be enough change? It is slow, but more rewarding, and a model of the way we should be working with all students (if class numbers are low enough). Feeling empowered in a great motivator. How do we find what motivates our students? I remember working with one boy a few years ago and he was really doing well despite years of failures. When I told him he should be very proud of himself and his parents should too, he replied that his parents really did not care what he did. How do we break through the baggage and problems kids bring with them? (there is a lot here)

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I do not subscribe to all of what Kohn prescribes, but there is a great deal concerning the use of either the carrot or the stick that concern me. I do not think that students should be taught to look for extrinsic measures for success. We should be encouraging students to do their best rather than being the best. However, we do live in an economy where competition is reality as are rewards and consequences (I really don't believe anyone should be punished other than those who commit horrific crimes)  I think we need to make sure students as well as those we work with, reflect and personally evaluate their own work. I think we would be poor teachers if we did not provide some evaluative feedback and exemplars to help the student judge the quality of their efforts. Comparison, even the use of standardized assessments, is not a bad thing as long as we look at the results as a reflective tool to aid us in our efforts for continuous improvement. Unfortunately we are in a time when punishment and rewards are popular among our constituents. We want to have villans and heroes.  We want to have winners and losers. Wouldn't it be great if as in the early Greek olympics the participant who is honored was not always the runner who ran the fastest, but rather the one that ran the most gracefully?  Or better yet, we were living in a time when instead of building tremendous Olympic stadiums under the guise of establishing a better world we spent that money to feed the millions of starving people around the world and to erradicate diseases which would not exist if medicines which are now sitting in pharmacutical company warehouses were distributed to the masses who can not afford them.

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David Keane
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